Friday, October 5, 2012

The FINAL Word On The First Debate


J. Christian Watts wrote an engaging piece regarding the debate on "Jack & Jill Politics - A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics" - titled, "A Passing Acquaintance With The Truth," that offers one of the best analyses of the question: Who Won.

And in a Talking Points Memo piece by Bruce Buetler called "Romney Adviser Gives Up The Ghost On Pre-existing Conditions," Buetler noted:

"After the first presidential debate at the University of Denver in Colorado on Wednesday night, one of Mitt Romney’s top advisers acknowledged that, as a result Romney’s plan to repeal Obamacare, people with pre-existing medical conditions would likely be unable to purchase insurance."

"The admission directly contradicts the GOP candidate’s claim during the debate that “pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan” — a contention Romney has repeated on the trail and that his campaign has repeatedly walked back."

But if the Debate was a real debate with judges awarding points to each debater to determine the winner, the President won in a landslide - because 27 lies in one debate trump any points given for aggression and personality AND the technique used by Governor Romney, the "Gish Gallop," is a well-worn technique used by Conservatives for accruing brownie points on talk radio and Meet The Press-type formats on the tube.


First the 27 lies.  ThinkProgress.org's article by Igor Volsky, "At Last Night's Debate: Romney Told 27 Lies In 38 Minutes," the writer explained.  Here are the first four:

1) “[G]et us energy independent, North American energy independent. That creates about 4 million jobs”. Romney’s plan for “energy independence” actually relies heavily on a study that assumes the U.S. continues with fuel efficiency standards set by the Obama administration. For instance, he uses Citigroup research based off the assumption that “‘the United States will continue with strict fuel economy standards that will lower its oil demand.” Since he promises to undo the Obama administration’s new fuel efficiency standards, he would cut oil consumption savings of 2 million barrels per day by 2025.

2) “I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don’t have a tax cut of a scale that you’re talking about.” A Tax Policy Center analysis of Romney’s proposal for a 20 percent across-the-board tax cut in all federal income tax rates, eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax, eliminating the estate tax and other tax reductions, would reduce federal revenue $480 billion in 2015. This amounts to $5 trillion over the decade.

3) “My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I’m not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people.” If Romney hopes to provide tax relief to the middle class, then his $5 trillion tax cut would add to the deficit. There are not enough deductions in the tax code that primarily benefit rich people to make his math work.

4) “My — my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit.” As the Tax Policy Center concluded, Romney’s plan can’t both exempt middle class families from tax cuts and remain revenue neutral. “He’s promised all these things and he can’t do them all. In order for him to cover the cost of his tax cut without adding to the deficit, he’d have to find a way to raise taxes on middle income people or people making less than $200,000 a year,” the Center found.
For the remaining lies, click --> http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/


The Daily Kos take on the debate by "ambushed," "Romney Won Using a Debate Technique Called the Gish Gallop," was even more telling than the whoppers.  It explained for the uninitiated how to implement whoppers like Romney's in a face to face debate, not unknown to readers of this site who have perused our  "Conservative Rhetoric.  How To Master Conservative Political Arguments, In Six Easy Steps, Easily Defeating The Most Brilliant Liberal Opponents Without Raising A Sweat.":

"As fact checkers busily highlight the myriad number of lies and distortions offered by Mitt-Etch-A-Sketch-Romney during last night's debate, and the spinners spin their polls with impunity, I find it interesting that the debate tactic itself has not yet been discussed nor properly analyzed. In fact, the lies and distortions offered by Romney in last night's debate are the very ESSENCE of his tactic -- and is therefore quite pertinent to the discussion. Romney used a debate tactic known as the Gish Gallop.

"The Urban Dictionary defines the Gish Gallop thusly:

"Named for the debate tactic created by creationist shill Duane Gish, a Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent can’t address let alone counter all of it. To make matters worse a Gish Gallop will often have one or more 'talking points' that has a tiny core of truth to it, making the person rebutting it spend even more time debunking it in order to explain that, yes, it's not totally false but the Galloper is distorting/misusing/misstating the actual situation. A true Gish Gallop generally has two traits.


"1) The factual and logical content of the Gish Gallop is pure bullshit and anybody knowledgeable and informed on the subject would recognize it as such almost instantly. That is, the Gish Gallop is designed to appeal to and deceive precisely those sorts of people who are most in need of honest factual education.

"2) The points are all ones that the Galloper either knows, or damn well should know, are totally bullshit. With the slimier users of the Gish Gallop, like Gish himself, its a near certainty that the points are chosen not just because the Galloper knows that they're bullshit, but because the Galloper is deliberately trying to shovel as much bullshit into as small a space as possible in order to overwhelm his opponent with sheer volume and bamboozle any audience members with a facade of scholarly acumen and factual knowledge.  It is quite apparent to those of us who have closely followed this election, that this latest sketch drawn out by Romney completely contradicts major policy ideas stumped on the campaign trail by him over the last few months. Since Obama could no longer debate the substance (or lack thereof) of Romney''s policy ideas, it threw Obama off his game. We have seen Romney do this before in the primaries. Obama needs to be prepared for it in future debates. Call it Etch-A-Sketch, call it the Gish Gallop, call it lies...it's all about the same. But it is a known debate tactic. And, like Romney, it is dishonest....
"...floating around the internet today.

"Snow White, Superman and Pinocchio are walking along.

"They see a sign: "Contest for World's Most Beautiful Woman." Snow White goes in, later comes out smiling, wearing a crown.

"They walk along and see another sign: "Contest for World's Strongest Man." Superman goes in, later comes out smiling, wearing the belt.

"They walk along and see a sign: "Contest for World's Greatest Liar." Pinocchio goes in, later comes out with his head down crying.

"'Who the hell is Mitt Romney?' Pinocchio sobs."

The Conservatives cannot survive in a participatory without lying or with fallacious argumentation.  The reason that the Parties are not "the same" is that the Republican Party as the water carrier for their Conservative bosses have to lie, to lie to hide their core belief: that the 98% should be ruled by the upper classes and that the wealthy are smarter than the People.

This core belief is anti-democratic and by inference, a criminal conspiracy.  Like all criminal conspiracies it needs to be stopped, and the only way is by criminalizing Conservatism.


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“For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.”

Judy Garland
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